There have been plenty of other broken games that continued to be sold. And like everything else in this game, despite screaming for attention, it can just be ignored, because it has literally nothing to say on these issues. Still, I kind of feel CDPR are coming out of this ahead. @humanity: As someone with a decent amount of familiarity with the source material, some of the changes I've noticed seem to be, uh, worse. Is anyone still out here claiming "the Cyberpunk launch isn't that bad"? Â© 2021 GIANT BOMB, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. For better or worse, in the context of the game itself, the controversial ads are much more toothless. No, but it's a mildly offensive and unnecessary trope. Cyberpunk 2077. That's fair, I think I was trying to use that reference as more of a detriment to Cyberpunk than a praising of Altered Carbon. There's a difference between having questionable content within context and just endorsing said content. All of that said, it's still possible to enjoy the game in spite of all of that, and I don't think anyone can take that away from you. The only thing I found offensive was more of a "holy shit, did a 12 year old write this?" Jesse from The Last of Us (which stood out to me more in retrospect after hearing their approach to Manny's hispanic accent and general loverboy approach to life), most of the men in Tsushima (in their English VO) and now the guy from the corpo that helps you out in Cyberpunk. Giant Bomb is here to give you what you need when it comes to the world of video games, new and old. @bigsocrates: How are ethnic gangs a trope when in real life gangs very much function on the idea of racial solidarity? Hitting CDPR's board in the coinpurse is the only way to make any meaningful change. than anything. Oh wow, since i've been PC only for years now and put the game in the "I'll check it out in a couple of years" section long ago, I didn't realize that with the next gen versions still far of, anyone with a digital only version of the PS5 can't get the game at all right now. I just find it silly, but do I care that much? Maybe that's also sort of the point but for a player that stops mattering when my vision drifts to the side during some event to find another one of those god damned Bottom's Up animated billboards and I sigh. Blocking patches for people who own it would not be in Sony's interest. This is why I'm excited and curious as mods start coming along. I'm so tired of paying to be a beta tester for unfinished games, or the launch broken, fix later mentality that has corrupted the entire AAA 3rd party publishing market. The "Bottoms Up" ad is offensively basic, but I suppose I scroll past enough similar jokes on Instagram that mileage will vary by age group and demographic. Find out why in their conversation from this morning: https://trib.al/6TFdZb1 Giant Bomb I dunno, I think we can have good games that also fuck up. Hopefully ms doesn't follow suit. Seems like a marketing opportunity for Microsoft. To be honest, I think I liked Saints Row 3's handling of all this better which is...I don't even know how to unwrap that. The launch of Cyberpunk went so poorly that CD Projekt Red is being sued by their own investors! "Oh, you want us to give people refunds? That show was extremely shallow and had very little to say or at best had about as much to say as Cyberpunk. Two questions that pop into my head here: 1) Under what conditions will Sony re-list the game, or will CDPR escalate and say "Well, screw you, we never wanted to be in the Sony ecosystem anyway" and pull all their games? Walking around the game is a bit like navigating the offices of the Martin-Flemmer building (Being John Malkovich, where the floors are high and the ceilings low) in that every bit of praise is accompanied by something to complain about, but there is inkling enough of something good there that I think it generally makes sense anybody with capable hardware would have fun with the core story missions at the very least. He's simply saying that this game is obviously going to appeal more to men ... and that's totally true. Like I enjoy Hannibal but I'm not going out stanning canabalism. This is so nuts. Giant Bomb users. Or is there a way to watch them on YouTube or something? One person finding something inoffensive does not negate someone else finding something offensive (or vice versa), just like how one person finding something funny does not negate someone else finding something not funny, or finding something good doesn't negate someone else finding it not good. Maybe giant world content expansions. (Image credit: Giant Bomb) This one's all about the hacking. In Borderland the meme humor felt like their pitch, the "hey we did satire and the internet in our shooter" approach. It's just so bare minimum that it absolutely doesn't justify their use of offensive shit in game, especially when you consider that much of the offensive content is baked into the games overall aesthetic. It at least a little bit feels like a fuck you from Sony to CDPR? It's possible that this was a change from R. Talsorian's side of things (as they did change the Voodoo Boys from a gang of sociopath poser white boys into a gang of Haitian spiritualists), but flipping through my copy of Cyberpunk Red, the edition of the RPG that came out roughly alongside 2077, there literally isn't any mention of the Valentinos. Personally, I've played quite a bit of the game and mostly had a good time, but I'm still able to recognize this game's failures in specific areas. Really? Really? Because I can listen to one episode of Joe Rogan and get that in one hour versus waiting 8 years and actively contributing 50 hours of my life. Quadrilateral Cowboy is set in the 80s, where you're tasked with pulling off a series of heists. Going home to sleep in your bed, see your family, have a normal, healthy life, and work a normal work day is "for closers" (See: Management and Executives). It's less the casting or even the performance so much as the direction that feels questionable. No one is perfect though and I will bring expectations with the next Wolfenstein game. If this game attempted to deliver a meaningful message about any of this, it would be easier to forgive, but instead, it mostly just comes off as 4chan humor. There wasn't much to be merry about in 2020, but these games helped keep Mary sane in a very trying year. Not only is it offensive but it's a lazy attempt to make your enemies feel bad. Nah, I donât allow video games to offend me, or any art for that matter. When in reality even the semi cool shit in the game isn't like that groundbreaking or anything. Because I can listen to one episode of Joe Rogan and get that in one hour versus waiting 8 years and actively contributing 50 hours of my life. Even if you aren't personally offended by anything in this game, there's plenty of content that I think just about anyone with the least bit of social awareness should be able to recognize as potentially offensive. I have a high threshold for this sort of stuff and I'm able to usually shake it off as just "dumb videogame stuff" but the volume of it in Cyberpunk feels oppressive and stands out even more whenever you do encounter genuinely good story moments. They have a lot of technical stuff to fix ahead of time, and the game is so full of bad representations of sexuality that it goes way deeper than the posters. It's disturbing how casually CDPR leveraged trans fetishization, and for what? The most disappointing thing that kneecapped this game, in the 8 years where they had this game in mind, was that they never took the time and responsibility to write something that pushes back against that language. Um, yeah! I seriously thought I stepped through a time portal into 2004 and was playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live and some teenagers were screaming at me. Nah. For one thing, I think it's worth pointing out that something being offensive is, at the core of it, an extremely personal thing. That show has a similar issue of really interesting core ideas (what value does a body have when separated from consciousness, it's ideas on murder, etc.) I still can't believe that the game only came out EIGHT DAYS AGO!? At least they cast the Asian characters appropriately so far as I know. This one is set at night and looks way mor. Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus was filled to the brim with the most offensive material I could imagine. My honest reaction to every piece of "shocking" media in the game was, "really?" So that criticism of the Gamespot reviewer - seems to be justified. The accent stuff I dunno about. When I picked up the corpse (the top half anyway) the floppy intestines were in my line of sight. Oh yeah this is absolutely a "who do you think you are" from Sony for just randomly promising that they'll offer refunds to a very angry fan base. It's all flashy mods and … And hearing the litany of complaints even before the game's release combined with that blase inclusion of content and commentary has turned me off on the game. It just brings the whole experience down. Some of it is additive for the atmosphere, some of it I just don't feel anything for, while other aspects I can understand why some are offended. But that takes a gentler touch than Cyberpunk was able to accomplish while putting out so many fires it seems. Ken Leung's performance on HBO's Industry is a good example of subverting this trope of the repressed, internal Asian male as you get to know his character a bit more and realize how much he's actively playing into that stereotype to suit the needs of UK investment banking. I am playing this on the PC and liking it a lot. I mean the ads are shitty and gross. The auto-lean is nice. Sony DO NOT like giving refunds. I am capable of being offended without flying off the handle, though. Whenever he does emote he switches to Japanese to do so and while I think that's a sensible character choice it won't address any of the above. For sure feels like a fuck you from Sony. Iâm 60 hours in and have seen all of the endings play out (including the secret ending). Particularly these past few years. The key is to fix the issues with the day one patch, not let the game launch the game and fix it 2 months later. I shot a barrel and it blew a woman in half, there were intestines flopping out of the bottom of her torso. 2020 has taught me that practicing empathy is vital. They fall right off that line of like... weâre mocking a bad thing by doing the same bad thing. Sorry for the OT post guys but it's kind of amazing that after many delays on both sides both Cyberpunk and STARSHIP will literally be launching on the same day! It's mostly forgotten now, because it seems like the game runs like a dream now as far as I know...but at the time, when it was happening...jeez, I remember how pissed so many people were. Honestly the constant social outrage has made me desensitized and overall watered down a lot of the impact words like racism used to hold for me as a black man. When this game tries to get "edgy" or "dark", it's the most embarrassing, childish, middle-school shit. Whether it worked for you or not (mostly not for me) is besides the point that at least you could see their pitch. And I hate to jinx it, but so far I've only had one guy sitting in midair at the beginning of my nomad playthrough (also, the intro is disappointingly short/seemingly superfluous). If it hadn't have been for those crashes, I'd still be playing the game. I know 2020 is the year of time travel, but it feels like this saga has been going on for months at this point. I kept an eye out for any sort of actual stance on transgenderism throughout the game, and the closest I got was the fact that Claire, the racing lady, brings up that she's a trans woman once after you do a couple of races, and has a transgender flag on her vehicle. Though I agree, Judy's side stuff with the Moxes is probably the most interesting exploration of that theme, just nowhere near enough imo. I'm using cover. New people canât buy it. That said I couldnât disagree more about your comment regarding Altered Carbon, which itself had a ton of gratuitous sex in it for the sake of some T&A. This is the best you could come up with? Long story short, I like it, but there are some (negligible I'm finding so far) issues. It's all frills and show, on purpose. In the training where it wants you to defeat a foe hand-to-hand by using everything you've learned, the dummy just fell on the ground and I punched him once to finish it. @efesell: I'm sure it's all fine, it's just something that's been bugging me lately and I'm not even Asian-American so I'm not sure why that is. Look how far Gamespot has fallen since then. I thought that was lazy, but it got cleverly addressed in an later bit of optional dialogue. This is 100% a big âfuck youâ from Sony to CDPR. I wasn't offended by any of it, though the "Bottoms Up" ad made me do a doubletake. Game » Best of Giant Bomb 170 - Gamer Fuel - Duration: 19:58. ...But, again, my experience with the game was probably a 1:2 ratio of compliments to complaints at best, and the crashes were just something completely alien to me as a console player. It does remind me of Blade Runner even if that's not entirely what they were going for. So, kinda feels like they just went nuclear here. The Management Board of CD PROJEKT S.A. with a registered office in Warsaw (hereinafter referred to as âthe Companyâ) hereby publicly discloses the decision of Sony Interactive Entertainment (hereinafter referred to as âSIEâ) to remove Cyberpunk 2077 from PlayStation Store until further notice. Because I was offended but it's also incredibly lazy. Save 90% on Dex on Steam Dex is a 2D, side-scrolling, open-world cyberpunk RPG with a focus on exploration and non-linear gameplay. I did initially raise an eyebrow over them labeling a Haitian/Creole gang as "The Voodoo Boys". I get they are trying to make these people feel real to the era they are set, but it all just comes across pretty stereotyped. That is fine. What bothers me is that there doesn't even seem to be a cutoff point for any of this either. I'm playing on very hard as I've heard normal is a cakewalk, and combat is enjoyable because shooting I find satisfying enough, and I'm not just running in their faces and taking them out. Menu Menu. It almost kind of makes some of Cyberpunks stuff doubly offensive, because the decisions on how to use their edginess often come across as "well we met the line, these are shit people your meant to kill anyways." Saved by Joyce Morse. Like innacces14, I was mostly surprised that after so much development time, CDPR didn't seem to have much to say about this dystopian future beyond that humans will find interesting ways to have sex. ... Popular on Giant Bomb 14 Mary Kish's Top 10 Games of 2020. Absolutely the move to make if CDPR decided to tell consumers to just go to where they bought it to get refunds. Not only did CDPR throw Sony (and Microsoft) under the bus on refunds, but they (most likely; as Jeff postulated on the Bombcast) cleared certification on waivers; basically CDPR promised the game would be up to a certain level of quality by launch, which it failed miserably to do. Not out of offense, but out of incredulity and exasperation. Definitely. A dude getting his face sat on with the same graphical treatment as the You Don't Know Jack guy? Not really. For those that don't care about reading it, it's just answering the question, but also my thoughts on the game so far since I just got it yesterday. Good on Sony for stepping in. While I'm glad that she's just a character that gets to exist who isn't solely defined by her identity, it's odder when she's one of two trans characters I met (the other being a random NPC conversation.). @efesell:There definitely was a patch because apart from the above mentioned example where it was really hard to not notice I also have not encountered tons and tons of them lying around everywhere the way reviewers talked about pre-release. I ultimately think this is sort of emblematic of a larger issue with the game as a whole (it doesn't really explore any element of its setting, it just thrusts something unusual in front of you, goes "ain't that weird", gives you some Street Cred, and moves on without analysis, commentary, or exporation), but with the more adult aspects of the setting it comes off extremely callous. Yeah, that's the only thing that comes to mind that even comes close. I find it immersive when I had not thought it would, expecting little things to bother me. In the text of Cyberpunk 2020, the Valentinos are a non-ethnically-defined gang that's essentially a criminal organization of pick-up artists. Wow, this is so wild; it really speaks to the scale of just how big this has blown up. I think that the game is careless and often very tone deaf towards its issue, but not malicious in this manner. For instance I was doing a mission where myself and my current sidekick Panam, who I think is well written and has a great voice actor, had to go to sleep to prep for a mission. Telling people to call the Sony support hotline? T-5 min if you're interested . Altered Carbon at least asks more interesting questions, even if how they answer them is shallow or completely ignored. It's a decent enough way to show what things might be like if all of that can just go completely unchecked. I really doubt that's what it means. A cyberpunk fps action rpg open world is practically serving it up on a platter to Jeff. It's also a great example of how many different people were involved in the writing, because I find a lot of the stuff with pretty much every more intricate and involved relationship V has to be quite good, and there are side quests and main quests that are right up there with Witcher 3 in terms of writing. Gimmie an "AO" rated patch lol Cyberpunk has all this violence, murder, and sex presented in its world and the story, but they never (and can't) take it all the way. They're important things to talk about and parody is an excellent way of shedding some light on it. If the game is delisted, then the updates won't get pushed out since it's technically not an official PS4 game...? Fire up a Quick Look, sit back, and enjoy, friends. Sony have been forced to give refunds in recent years for certain stuff. Sorry, Iâm on mobile and canât make links go woosh. Brilliant. @humanity: There are not showers of dildos like many people described but you can definitely find them in weird places if you're looking. As much as I think they have a horrible refund policy (or lack of a refund policy), CDPR dumping the problem on platform holders was begging for an extreme reaction. There isn't a multitude of forums dissecting the language unlike the new Star Wars trilogy where everyone is trying to find an out for Kylo Ren because "yeah, he took part in committing genocide of an entire star system, but ReyLo". @asylumrunner: I don't know the base material, maybe it's there although I doubt it, but more than anything I don't really get the obsession this game has with sex. Call me an old man, but I'm tired of having people talk to me about how the new South Park season is good. So I guess a lot of the things considered problematic in the game don't register with me. Well, yeah, but also maybe letting publishers get away with "we'll fix it later" is a shitty anti-consumer policy that the platform holders should never have normalized to begin with. New people canât buy it. @bigsocrates: Yah it would be nice if it had any sort of depth to it but for the most part it is just Saints Row 3 humor interjected into an ostensibly serious game which is why it's so jarring at times. The game wasnât pulled because of quality, but because CDPR again gave a non apology and said ânot our problemâ. I don't mind the writing a whole lot and haven't really encountered anything awful. Watson Whore, Bottom's Up...I'm pretty sure there's one add for speed in a can and another that more or less should just be called Deepthroat. They ripped KFC out of Crazy Taxi. Jon St. Jon voice "Cyberpunk? I love video games, but ignoring the horrendous drivel they want to pass as "jokes" just to pay $60 to play an okay game when it's running on all cylinders is the most moronic thing people can do with their lives right now. seven or so hours now, but what I feel so far is that there's not going to be a lot of upgrading for weaponry. Part of why it's a trope is the assumption that this is going to be the same in 2077, with the same ethnic divisions and gang make ups when those do change substantially over time, and part of the reason it's not great in Cyberpunk 2077 is that all the gangs that are ethnic (the Valentinos, Tyger Claws, and Voodoo Boys) are ethnic minorities while the other gangs are based around some kind of non-ethnic element like the Scavs and Animals. Not since Batman Arkham Knight has actions like this been taken for such a high profile release. Whoa. This is shit for everyone involved. Cartman called Kyle a Jew.No one talks about The New Colossus because it's message was clear; you need to be anti-racist. I do think there are story threads in the game that are meaningful like the Judy quest line that shows the effects of cumulative mental abuse and the toll it can take on a person that is very unique to the way prostitution is performed in that world. @ragnar_mike: I agree that the posters and generally the âfake advertisingâ of this world is a huge detriment and actively works against it. Just to be clear, I can already feel this forum devolving into an out where readers can say "well it's just lazy then". Info: GiantBomb.com will be livestreaming their GOTY deliberations for 2020! Ms should not follow suit. So congrats CDPR, you pissed off trans people, some trans allies, and accidentally dog whistled to the shittiest parts of the internet for... some of the most superfluous, basic, and lazy "commentary" I've ever seen in a game (and that's saying something, considering games.) Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake. Released Dec 10, 2020. What is the percentage of consumers who will get a refund? @theoracleofgame: Oh it's both alright, but I'm gonna put my foot down and do what the OP did and focus on the offensive part before it gets swept under the rug because "remember the bugs"?! Saved by Bruce Kenobi. There may have been another, but I don't remember off the top of my head anything as 'bad'. "Okay, we lost Gerstmann but we can undercut his opinion by saying he only likes Call of Duty. Happy Holidays! At least quite a lot more people are going to be able to get refunds now, still sucks for a whole lot of others. Aw, HDR is seemingly broken and that is unfortunate. Sony didn't so they had to slap this together. More like Cyberpunk-ASS BITCH!" Â© 2021 GIANT BOMB, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. I think a lot of it is silly, and not in the 'oh, haha, CDPR, you are so funny'. Cyberpunk 2077 unfortunately leaves me with this question; did they take 8 years to make some weird outlet for their "trigger the libs" jokes? Like the barrage of text messages and calls from people you've never met about cars, the "offensive" advertisements are all just white noise. Nobody is saying that women can't play Cyberpunk or are in any way not allowed. I'm mostly just offended by the content of this game in the sense that it's all incredibly reductive. They pull this but not fallout 76 which was not only worse but had monetization? send you an email once approved. Because I can listen to one episode of Joe Rogan and get that in one hour versus waiting 8 years and actively contributing 50 hours of my life. Which parts? The way sound envelops you in Atmos is really nice. 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